What are your picks for OP class from each T2?

[invisime]

My perception is: Corrupters, NCs, VWs, Gun Wizards, Archons, and Divine Heralds.

EDIT: meant Divine Herald, not Divine Champion

[toxicology]

I am ill-suited to answer this question (or at least, to give a serious answer to this question--obviously my characters would produce a number of unhelpful and demonstrably silly answers).

I can make one contribution that might be helpful. Way back at the start of time (i.e., even before we reached the soon-to-be-celebrated 10-year open beta milestone), jorm designed the Void Walker to be the lowest-maintenance, simplest and most straightforward killer. His stated goal was fun for someone who wanted to log in, go murder some people, and do the same thing a few hours later or a few days later, with as little downtime as possible.

At least to my taste, the Nexus Clash incarnations of Void Walker still do that.

In jorm's design, the other T3 classes were designed for other sorts of fun, though you could get very close to the simplicity of the Void Walker with the Nexus Champion (at least, to my taste, in Nexus War--I don't recall experiencing Origami Fun in Nexus Clash). I wouldn't presume to speak for the current game designers and their intentions.

But on the general subject of OP-ness, possibly the player who is trying to get healing badges on a Void Walker in a largely demonic faction is not the best judge.

[Wozzy]

Divine Heralds, or Holy Champions? Don't go all NW on us
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[Polymphus]

I think VWs are probably the worst offender - it feels like 9 times out of 10 when I wake up dead, it's a BC VW responsible. The changes to invisibility have gone a long way towards helping, but they're so much better at hunting than the other hunters it isn't funny.

The issue is though, that their speed and mobility is their whole thing. Removing it would be to change the class on such a fundamental level that they'd be unrecogniseable.

Personally, I feel like reducing their raw damage but retaining/enhancing their ability to ignore soaks/damage would be an interesting possibility. They'd still be the undisputed kings of finding targets and would still be able to laugh at tanks, but they wouldn't be quite so unstoppable against absolutely everybody.

[toxicology]

Funny, I was just thinking that I was dying to a wider variety of classes and attacks this breath. Perhaps I just expect to see Void Walkers stepping out of every corner, or perhaps it's because I enjoy the VW lifestyle myself, so when I get killed by Bad Fingernails, I can't complain. Go team VW.

I can say that I really enjoyed hunting with the Divine Herald the last time I played one.

[invisime]

[Saint_Jimmy]

My picks would probably be Holy Champion, Lightspeaker, Nexus Champion, Lich, VW, Corruptor.

Holy Champion gets air and fire cloaks, Lightspeaker has sprites, which are stupidly broken. NC gets adaptation, Lich is Lich, although yeah, Wizard is silly with MV. VW because fuck them and destructive blow, and Corruptor is a lich with spells.

[toxicology]

Oh boy, graduate seminar for Fred!

Why Destructive Blow, in particular? Just because it can completely ruin non-innate armor, and that's frustrating ("here, die, oh, and also, spend a day crafting, bwah ha ha!")? It's certainly delightful for raiding. Not as useful, I thought, for hunting.

The Skillz Police, always eager to learn.

Of course, all Pariah exits share the skill (perhaps I will take it on my Redeemed, because, reasons).

[Saint_Jimmy]

I've only been attacked by a pariah exit with DB once, as far as I can remember, so for me it's not because of that. Destructive blow is *really* good on VWs because it's 3 times damage against wards on a class which can already get good damage. A Claws VW is, if I remember correctly, 50 damage per attack. Them being the best at hunting is a pain too, to be fair.

[toxicology]

My arithmetic agrees with yours: on not-demon wards, 48 (11 base damage, 5 for unholy, times 3 charged with DB).

[SocialJusticeWarrior]

[toxicology]

Fair enough! The 1.5x bonus for T2 is pretty delightful already (for any T2 ward-basher).

[Kiralio]

Going exit-by-exit doesn't really make sense as going role-by-role, I think.

Tank: Seraphs can get effectively permanent 10-12 point soak to all damage, an 80%+ accuracy innate ranged attack, a better aura than IBs get, and of the three charge attacks they have access to, two are excellent and one is okay. As a Seraph I don't really need to bring anything to a raid except FAKs to do my job, and not many of those.

IBs aren't that far behind (buff the Bloodlust tree and give Whip of Torment more accuracy and they'd probably be neck and neck), it's more that comparing either of them to Eternal Soldiers is just sad.

Adept: Nexus Champions have Way of Adaptation. Holy Champions can't throw cars any more. Doom Howlers are named for an AoE ability in a game where AoE is an afterthought. With large amounts of CP they can all do some interesting/silly things, especially in terms of resilience and tanking, but NCs are the best at it because they get HP/MP regeneration and Way of Adaptation.

Hunter: Hunter balance is goofy to talk about because with every other class I'd evaluate their balance in terms of how much they contribute to the faction's ability to raid, but if you do that with Hunters you come up with "why does this role even exist."

That said, Void Walkers probably still win because their skills actually work (lol melee Revs), Destructive Blow interacts very nicely with all those +damage skills, and even after effectively losing their coolest and most defining ability they still aren't as boring as Divine Heralds.

Survivalist: Haven't played them. Won't play them until I see something that convinces me it's worth a 100 CP build tax.

Tactician: Really evenly balanced, honestly. If I had to order them I'd probably go Conduit > Advocate > Dark Oppressor but they're each good at different things.

Conduits are the best "stay at home and brew/enchant" class because a) Sorcerer's Might is the best mana generator skill that isn't Manabite and b) Wisp Form, even without its old anti-pet capabilities, is a really good travel skill and the best for component-gathering.

On the other hand, Advocates seem like another one of those classes that could do really stupid things once you start accumulating lots of extra CP, similar to Liches/NCs/Seraphs, although they're clearly more tuned towards actively supporting a raid than staying at home. Dark Oppressors seem like worse versions of Advocates... except that their debuff aura synergizes with petmasters, and blessings don't.

Petmasters: Ghouls self-replicate.

Warmage: Ghouls self-replicate, and Corruptors can steal them, and they get Manabite.

[Dissident]